The GUS Daily Digest Saturday, 27 May 1995 Volume 22 : Number 025 Today's Topics: Re: !!!HELP!!! GUS + SOUND BLASTER !!!HELP!!! Re: Windows drivers 4.11 Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #24 How many GUS(MAX) & SB Users out there ? Am I Vince, PAL/NTSC, what's wrong with digest, can GUS emulate IW? Re: How many GUS(MAX) & SB Users out there ? How many GUS(MAX) & SB Users out there ? Cooledit\win95\Upgrade GUS and Sound Blaster FU & 11th Hour Re: !!!HELP!!! GUS + SOUND BLASTER !!!HELP!!! ACE memory problems Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #24 RE: The GUS .VxD Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #24 Re: !!!HELP!!! GUS + SOUND BLASTER !!!HELP!!! SoundBastard, Windoze, etc. etc. ad infinitum RE:Problems with the digest Brian's comments Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #24 SB MIDI cables; ADPCM files; SB and GUS; 4.11 install GUS v2.2 and SB-16 IDE ("Vibra16") Drivers RE: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #24 Re: General User Satisfaction (Digest #22-23) Right on Brian Right on Brian Standard Info: - Meta-info about the GUS can be found at the end of the Digest. - Before you ask a question, please READ THE FAQ. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dewi Daniels Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 08:56:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: !!!HELP!!! GUS + SOUND BLASTER !!!HELP!!! My GUS works fine with my SB clone. I set the SB to 220,7,1 and the GUS to 230,5,6,5,11. I connected the line out of the SB to the line in on the GUS, and use 'ultrinit -l -o' to enable SB sound. > Have any of you got some useful hints and tips on running both the Sb and > GUS together? ------------------------------ From: Paal Andreassen Date: Fri, 26 May 95 10:45:08 METDST Subject: Re: Windows drivers 4.11 Eh, the disk version is 4.11 not the windows drivers, they are v5.51, compared to v5.50 that came with disks v3.59. Got that ? - -- Paal Andreassen (mailto:paaland3@knoll.kih.no) Buskerud College - Engineering Programme Department Institute of Computer Science http://knoll.kih.no:8001/stud/paaland3 ------------------------------ From: Yossi Oren Date: Fri, 26 May 95 11:40:31 +0300 Subject: Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #24 Viktor's questions: (BTW, cool scoop on the Ultrasound Interwave! Better go and pester Ma'atak!) 1. How do you play ADPCM? Well, you need the Microsoft Audio Compression Manager extension (built into Win95, actually), which can be found in the most recent version of Video for Windows. If you install it playback is simply a matter of double-clicking the file in File Manager. You should alsooo look for GoldWave (gldwav??.zip), which is a powerful wave editor with brilliant ADPCM support. 2,3. Recording an ADPCM file? As in using the CODEC? I'm stumped. Dunno. MK2 with GUS... did you run LOADPATS first? Hmmmm.... 4.11 is shit. Nope. You did it wrong. You're supposed to wipe the ULTRASND subdir, reinstall from a FULL disk set (say 3.59) and the to 4.11. Anyway, if Windows doesn't work, one doesn't go and erase the whole directory! Probably something wrong with system.ini or whatnot. GUS+SB. Well, I'd go with removing the GUS, installing the SB at 220h and moving the GUS to 210h or 240h or whatever. Since the UltraOpen call (or whatever) used in the SDK automatically consults the ULTRASND variable you won't get those stupid port-220h-only problems you get with SBs. BTW, your .sig's too big! Yossi. lioren1@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il / The people are with the Golan Heights. Currently serving somewhere in / Politically correct my ass. the Israeli Defense Forces. / Gravis Ultrasound - you'd better buy one - --------( "ObKibo" )--------- or I'll hit you (like my slogan?). ------------------------------ From: hickinl@VNET.IBM.COM Date: Fri, 26 May 95 09:50:09 BST Subject: How many GUS(MAX) & SB Users out there ? All, A number of times I read posts on this digest from people complaining that the GUS doesn't work with 'x' game (MCarpet, Themepark etc..) and I get ready to post back telling them they do when I remember that I am running a GUSMAX alongside a SBPro which does give me the best of both worlds. This led me to a thought....... How many people out there are also running these two card together (without problems) ?? With this configuration I can't think of a single game that I can't get sound support out of (be it GUS or SB) so in many ways Its the ideal solution for all those people complaining about fiddling with games to get them to work. This post is not intended as a platform for me to rave about my great system ;-) I was just interested as to how many other people think this is the 'ideal' soloution ?? Regards, Lee Hickin - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- '.....come to think of it, i'm actually not a very nice guy at all' - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Sam Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 10:46:32 +0100 (BST) Subject: Am I Vince, PAL/NTSC, what's wrong with digest, can GUS emulate IW? > >> Vince, am I out of line here? > >> I am still pretty new to this listserver. > > > I'd say so. Keep OS/2 to the OS/2 mailing list / newsgroups/ OS advocacy. > > Thanks for the opinion "Vince." My opinion is that pure OS discussions I didn't claim to be Vince... Maybe I should have put stars round the "I'd" or something. Anyway, *you* responded, so don't complain at me for doing so; your name isn't Vince either. [Diskworld] > "Well, the sound libraries we were using don't work on > American PC's... only on British PC's." > > This sounds to me like a PAL vs. NTSC problem. My guess would Computers do not use either standard. It's only consoles and things-that-plug-into-the-telly. Monitors work at the same refresh rates everywhere. > 2) Too many repeated questions. With more users signing up every week, this is > also a tough one. How many questions like "How do I get Theme Park to work > with the GUS?" have we seen in the last year? Too many to mention. I think > the only thing we could do to keep this down is to have a more complete > G-List (the software compatibility list). Waht would be great, is a WWW > site that users can post solutions to once one is found--thus you could > check the web before posting. Those without WWW access will need some > other way however... (BTW, Theme Park will NOT work with the GUS :-) There is a WWW site for game *patches*, which might help some people. (I don't have the URL on me right now). > 3) No answers. The Question to Answer ratio is incredibly out of balance. For Well, as you may have noticed, I answer just about everything, even if I'm not certain of the answer... [too much...] > 6) ..Complaining and Whining. I know this is a touchy one, but come on people. Yep, I go with this one ;) > Does anyone know if the GUS/GUS Max will have the ability to > be compatible with future software which utilizes the > AMD Interwave via drivers? > > It would seem that it would be easier for the GUS/GUS Max to > emulate an AMD Interwave (since the AMD is based on wavetable > synthesis) than it is for the GUS/GUS Max to emulate an > FM type Soundblaster. Well, I'm not going to mention Win95 here. Anyway, it seems to me that Interwave has more features and is a better card. SB has less features and is a worse card. Therefore Interwave is more difficult to emulate... I would anticipate problems, as Gravis presumably don't have their own registers set up to do NMIs so MegaEm etc can do their work. Specifically, the problem is in the different frequency numbers - because InterWave supports 32 channels at 44 kHz, the numbers sent to registers to select frequencies will be different. (Unless IW is in GF1-compat mode). Without some kind of Mega-Em techniques - I guess impossible in protected mode due to the lack of NMIs - I can't see a solution to this problem. However, since IW is a superset of GUS, once a company had written IW support, GUS support would not be a major change. Sam [] http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d405ua <[ Web pagE ]> *NEW* Sysex Manager ! [] [] For Software Forge program information and downloads [] Including [] [] NETRIS 1.1 best Tetris game <[ For Win 3.1 ]> Sysex Manager 1.0S [] ------------------------------ From: Dewi Daniels Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 11:04:59 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: How many GUS(MAX) & SB Users out there ? I, too, run both an SB and a GUS. As it happens, I owned the SB first, and kept it because I thought it would be a shame to throw away a perfectly good soundcard. I'm very glad I did keep it, and reckon an SB is a near-essential (and pretty cheap, nowadays) add-on for a GUS. Actually, not only will the SB/GUS combination cope with anything thrown at it, but you even get to choose whether to use the SB or MegaEm for SB sound effects (using the -SBx switches). With some games, MegaEm sounds cleaner, e.g. Network Q Rally, which sounds very graunchy on a real SB. With some Sierra games (Hoyle's Vol. IV, Jones in the Fast Lane), I couldn't get the SB to produce digital sound effects, whilst MegaEm works fine (using the Fast 486 switch)! ------------------------------ From: hickinl@vnet.ibm.com (Hickinl@vnet.ibm.com) Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 11:50:09 GMT Subject: How many GUS(MAX) & SB Users out there ? From: hickinl@VNET.IBM.COM To: gus-general@gaia.ucs.orst.edu Date: Fri, 26 May 95 09:50:09 BST Subject: How many GUS(MAX) & SB Users out there ? All, A number of times I read posts on this digest from people complaining that the GUS doesn't work with 'x' game (MCarpet, Themepark etc..) and I get ready to post back telling them they do when I remember that I am running a GUSMAX alongside a SBPro which does give me the best of both worlds. This led me to a thought....... How many people out there are also running these two card together (without problems) ?? With this configuration I can't think of a single game that I can't get sound support out of (be it GUS or SB) so in many ways Its the ideal solution for all those people complaining about fiddling with games to get them to work. This post is not intended as a platform for me to rave about my great system ;-) I was just interested as to how many other people think this is the 'ideal' soloution ?? Regards, Lee Hickin - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- '.....come to think of it, i'm actually not a very nice guy at all' - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: nwakefie@mltsa.mlm.att.com (Nicholas Wakefield) Date: Fri, 26 May 95 11:43:42 BST Subject: Cooledit\win95\Upgrade According to my company newsgroup win95 will be officialy launched on Aug 24th and according to gravis they will deliver the drivers when its released, so gravis have until then. Now according to my records win95 was meant to be released sometime at the beginning of 95 and our friends at gravis said some time last year they would produce a driver for when it was released. So if you think about it gravis should of made a driver by now, unless they plan to make one overnight, i.e the night before win95 actually appears in the shops. Or is microsoft just waiting for gravis (obviously not!). Quaetion : When recording something with cooledit(good piece of kit!) after about 20 seconds of recording i start to get chop\broken up sound. So I guess the buffers full and needs to write to the disk, now my disk can't write 4megs a second, so I then reduce my buffer to the average write for my disk and I get less chop, so I reduce to as low as value as I can and things are better but not perfect. So I presume that I need a disk that can write faster, is this assumption write. Or another aproach is to get a program like rocket which claims to accelerate a disk by about 50%, its a super fast replacement for the dos i/o handler(allows multiple head read/writes), has anyone out there experiemce with this piece of software. Next question if gravis produce a new card, is right in assuming they will send a registered user a letter offering them an upgrade for a reasonable price, or will this allegeded interwave populated new card be very similar to my trusty GUS MAX. - --Nick ------------------------------ From: Martin Shaw Date: Fri, 26 May 95 13:46:07 BST Subject: GUS and Sound Blaster Hiyup, The best bet to get both cards working is to leave the SB at Address 220, DMA 1, and IRQ 7 (Most games like this). I then set my ultrasound to Address 240, DMA 5 and IRQ 5. 1. Change Jumper on Ultrasound to Address 240 (Check the Manual) 2. SET ULTRASND=240,5,5,5,5. 3. Slot in the SoundBlaster (The Defaults should be 220, 7, and 1) 4. Run SoundBlaster Installation program Voila, a a working S.B. and GUS. Martin ___________ \ _______/ Martin Shaw, \ \___\_ Computer Science, \ ___/ University of Manchester, / \ \_ \ /___\_/___\ Email : Shawm@cs.man.ac.uk ------------------------------ From: mark.leung@cyberstore.ca (Mark Leung) Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 06:21:25 GMT Subject: FU & 11th Hour Do Flight Unlimited and 11th Hour have native GUS supports?? (Is there a native GUS driver for Megarace? cauz the FM sounds so bad!) Mark.Leung@Challenge.com ------------------------------ From: WINTER D <63142015@mmu.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 14:41:39 GMT Subject: Re: !!!HELP!!! GUS + SOUND BLASTER !!!HELP!!! >From: emilr@ksnet.ksedb.no (Emil Rakoczy) >Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 17:30:26 +0100 >Subject: !!!HELP!!! GUS + SOUND BLASTER !!!HELP!!! > >Hello. > >I'm sorry to say that I've given up on gravis and bought a Sound >Bastard. However, I haven't sold my gus(never will) and they wont >cooperate. After I've inserted the SB, the SB install-program won't start. Everything just locks up. My CD-ROM also hangs when its SCSI drivers are beeing loaded. This sucks. Please help. > >I've tried: >set ultrasound=3,3,5,11 > >And the I/O for the bastard is 260, DMA 1. >Have any of you got some useful hints and tips on running both the Sb >and >GUS together? >Please mail me ASAP. I had some problems when putting a GUS and an SB together but I found the best solution was to leave the Sound Blaster on it's original settings. The settings I use are, SB : Address 220, Irq 7, Dma 1. GUS : Address 210, Record and playback DMA 7 and 7, GF1 Irq 11 and SB/MIDI Irq 5. How you managed to get your SB on Address 260, is beyond me, I thought SB's could only use 220 and 240. As to the SCSI problem, check the SCSI board you are using is not conflicting with any of the settings of the two sound cards. SCSI cards often utilise an IRQ channel. Keep on GUSsing. Dom |------------------------------------| | DOOM is LIFE - Klik Klak KABOOM! | |------------------------------------| | Dominic Winter 63142015@mmu.ac.uk | | Manchester Metropolitan University | | England | |------------------------------------| ------------------------------ From: hastings@gasp.dseg.ti.com Date: Fri, 26 May 95 09:01:32 CDT Subject: ACE memory problems The Descent joystick port problems and the WCIII static problems have be resolved. Thanks to all who responded! I tried to upgrade my ACE card to 1MB yesterday. No go. The chip is marked Toshiba TC514260BJ-70. I didn't touch any pins and was careful to follow anti-static procedures. But the card doesn't work at all when the chip is installed, and the chip gets hot. The manual says it will get hot if installed backwards, but pin 1 is clearly marked on the chip (with an indented dot) and on the ACE board, so that doesn't look like the problem. Is this chip toasted? How can I tell? Should I try turning it around? Will that damage the ACE card? If I order another chip, how can I make sure it will work? Does Gravis sell them directly at a reasonable price? This one was $30 - are they available cheaper than that? Note to Gravis: although 512k is better than the original 256k, why can't you put the entire 1 meg on the board and save the users from this additional hassle? Is the $100 price point that important? If I'd known it would end up costing me $160, I would have gone with a T.B. card instead. thanks, clint email: hastings@dseg.ti.com ------------------------------ From: Espen Wang Andreassen Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 16:16:51 +0200 Subject: Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #24 >From: csjohn@knuth.mtsu.edu (John Wallace) >Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 16:04:59 -0500 (CDT) >Subject: AMD Interwave emulation >Does anyone know if the GUS/GUS Max will have the ability to >be compatible with future software which utilizes the >AMD Interwave via drivers? "Have the ability..." - of course - it's possible to make an emulator/dri= ver = (In much the same way it's POSSIBLE to make a GUS emulator to a SB card) = - - but = I think it's just not worth it. The InterWave is superior (I hope!) to th= e GUS = in many ways, and just because the InterWave is based on the GF1 (more or= = less..) the GUS won't be interWave compatible. ( Hey! Both the jet- and t= he = combustion-engine is based on oil burning, but you can't make a Ford fly = by = tanking jet-fuel..!! :+)) - ----------------------------------------------------- - - jeps - Student at the University of Oslo, Norway - =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D Espen Wang Andreassen - espeand@ifi.uio.no ------------------------------ From: DANTONIO@PROCESS.COM (Momentary Language, Sexual Situations) Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 10:38 -0400 Subject: RE: The GUS .VxD > From: Sam > Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 10:31:48 +0100 (BST) >> Since there is no 32bit replacement for the GUS drivers, the system will "thunk" >> the vxd, slowing the whole system down. That's why we'd like a 32bit vxd for the >> GUS. It'd run on NT, and Win95. > The GUS windows driver is ALREADY a vxd. GRVSULTR.386 doesn't have the > VXD extension, but it is one. (As I recall). It's already 32-bit. However > it does not conform to the Win95/NT standards. I believe that the GUS .VxD is a 16-bit .VxD since it runs under Win3.1 so calls to it WILL have to be thunked. Does anyone know *for sure* it's status? I was also under the impression that Win95 drivers won't work under NT. Is this not correct? DDA ------------------------------ From: Thaddaeus Kong Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 00:39:40 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #24 > > > You're waiting for Gravis to give you a sign after 2 years? Open your > > eyes, the message is loud and clear. I am giving Gravis a sign, I sold my > > GUS. > > Why still here? This is the GUS mailing list, not the ex-GUS mailing list! Why shouldn't I be here? I have almost 3 years experience with the GUS (I USED to mantain the GUS AIL list) and I figure I can still help the occasional newbie. I can also give a balanced view on an issue too. Besides, this list was getting a bit boring..... ];-> > 1. OS/2 drivers - To the guy who said that he gave gravis a sign by selling his > GUS....um..cutting your nose off to spite your face I think ??? I agree that > two years is a hell of a long time for Gravis to have alpha code out and > > stopping me from moving to Warp is the lack of Gus support (and thats not > just because i'm an IBM'er) As soon as Manely's drivers support GF1 MIDI > under OS/2 I'll move - Forget Gravis OS/2 drivers stick to Manleys. Let me get this straight - you are letting a soundcard dictate your operation system? When push came to shove, I picked Warp over GUS (besides, even Gravis wasn't supporting my rev 2.2 board anymore). As for suggestions about using the Manley drivers, let me ask you something, how much is a GUS MAX + 1 MEG upgrade + registration fee for Manley drivers cost? Compare this to a AudioTrix Pro or a Soundscape Elite with has HARDWARE SB/WSS/GMIDI support and OS/2 drivers. Heck, even Manley himself is using the AudioTrix Pro as his primary soundcard and he said that the recording capabilities of the AudioTrix Pro makes the GUS sound like AM radio (c.o.os2.multimedia, a month or so ago). > one day the GUS will be the most supported PC sound card in history. When asked > why, game companies everywhere will reply "Well, they had the best digest out > there, so we felt it MUST be the best card" :-) No, game developers will say "Hey, look at that, even Gravis is cutting support for their pre 3.xx soundcard! And wait, there's the Interwave coming! Maybe they will cut support for the GUS MAX/ACE when it comes?" > Does anyone know if the GUS/GUS Max will have the ability to > be compatible with future software which utilizes the > AMD Interwave via drivers? Not unless the GUS suddenly grows ROM and start addressing more than 1 meg of memory. - -- Thaddaeus Kong tk@molly.cs.monash.edu.au I hate people who don't finish their ------------------------------ From: Dewi Daniels Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 16:07:29 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: !!!HELP!!! GUS + SOUND BLASTER !!!HELP!!! > I had some problems when putting a GUS and an SB together but I > found the best solution was to leave the Sound Blaster on it's original > settings. I'd second that. The key to happy SB/GUS coexistence is to leave the SB at the factory default of 220,7,1 or 220,5,1 and configure the GUS around it -- GUS's are very laid back about such things. ------------------------------ From: "Jason I. Goldovitz" Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 11:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SoundBastard, Windoze, etc. etc. ad infinitum Ok, here goes... I'm replying to a lot of people, so be patient... > 4.11 a pain in the %$^#&@*!&%$ > > I ftped the newest file from epas, and unzipped/installed. Everything > worked ok until I fired up Windows. No midi, wav was fine. Lordy lordy. First off, I fail to see anything in 4.11 that is better per se than 3.59. I have a MAX and 3.59 and Windows is _flawless_. However, since you've already gone through the trouble... your problem is probably that 4.11 STILL doesn't use the latest patches. You are going to have to reinstall the gus0048 with the new windows drivers... Does somebody want to put together a summary of newest working versions of stuff, as a recommendation? > I finially get my new computer (P90) and it has a cdrom..So I get > the Video for WIndows stuff and I am all excited...Multimedia blah, blah > blah..Now I regret not paying more attention to those postings that > talked about fixing the playback in Windows...so,,HOW DO I DO IT!!!!! I > know that the AVI is not at fault, cause if I uninstall my GUS drivers, > it plays back fine...no sound though..I tried setting my buffers to 512K > etc, etc..I am using the 5.54 drivers from the 4.11 disk upgrade.. > > ANother thing..meagem 3.03b won't work on my computer..halts at > the load patch part...damn.. First problem: see above. Also, set your buffers to about 8k, not 512k. That's what Gravis Tech Support says, and it works for me. Second problem: probably NMI. Check for "parity checking" in your bios, and turn it... um... OFF, I think. > I'm sorry to say that I've given up on gravis and bought a Sound Bastard. > However, I haven't sold my gus(never will) and they wont cooperate. After > I've inserted the SB, the SB install-program won't start. Everything just > locks up. My CD-ROM also hangs when its SCSI drivers are beeing loaded. This > sucks. Please help. > > I've tried: > set ultrasound=3,3,5,11 > > And the I/O for the bastard is 260, DMA 1. Okay, here goes _again_. There's a document on this... but... If your SB is an SB16 this is going to be awfully difficult... since the low level drivers seem to hate each other. I can't get the SB16 setup program to work at all with my gravis even in its slot... so you'll have to follow the instructions below for the SB _WITHOUT_ the gravis installed, and then remove the drivers from the config.sys, and put the GUS back in. Step 1: GUS settings should be (all other things considered): IRQ 11, MIDI IRQ 7, DMAs 6 & 7 (no particular order) if 16-bit DMA works on your MB, otherwise 2 & 3 or something... you can even use the same one if you don't plan to do simultaneous playback and recording. PORT SHOULD BE 240. This is a good recommendation, since everything in creation expects it there. Step 2: SB settings: PORT _MUST_ _MUST_ _MUST_ be 220, or 75% of programs will crap all over you. IRQ should be 5, no exceptions. DMA should be 1, NO EXCEPTIONS. This is the way it should be set, no matter what the programs say they support. Sorry to sound like a shit... but this is a pain in the ass, and common sense must be used. Your SCSI is probably using an IRQ or DMA that one of your sound cards wants. Also... the 16-bit DMA for the SB can be whatever you want if it works... > GUSMax 1 meg (rev 1.8) for sale - $160 or Best Offer > brand new with all docs, box, latest software. > > Buyer pays shipping... If interested, please e-mail me. Thanks. Went to Micro Center... GUS MAX 512k: $130 GUS MEMORY: $30 Hmmm... comes with the CD, kinda silly to get a used one and pay shipping if you ask me... :) AND SOME FINAL WORDS: Win95: Shut up, shut up shut up. It's _BETA_, it's better than Windoze 3.11, and whether it's better than the (admittedly shitty) OS/2 has yet to be seen because it's still BBBBBEEEEEETTTTTTAAAAA! Win95 Dos Compatibility: 100% if you DON'T USE A BLOODY WINDOW! Jesus people, you want DOS in a window? Games like Dark Forces are busting the ass of DOS's ability ALREADY... put it in a window and OF COURSE IT DOESN'T WORK! It won't... until the P6 MAYBE and of course that needs 128 Megs and costs $10k. And a final recommendation: Buy an SB basic or SBPro, run it at 220, 5, 1, and put your GUS at 240, 6, 7, 11, 7. You'll be glad. - Jason (odin@ccs.neu.edu) SIGS ARE FOR WEENIES ------------------------------ From: "Blais, Serge" Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 11:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE:Problems with the digest I should be moving to BC and cast my vote for Mr Hayes in the next election... I have been subscribed to this list for more than 6 months now. I have seen interesting subjects, I have seen answers to questions I had. I have learned a lot. This list is very useful but can be made much better if we followed Brians's recommendations. I have a few ones to add. 1) Don't post an answer if you have no real response to provide. I have seen often responses that read like this : " I am not sure but I believe I have seen it maybe somewhere and I have been told that it might possibly work by someone..." Those kind of statements are pure noise and don't provide any facts. I understand that many of us have access to this list from the office (or school) and the answers are in our machines at home. Before posting a /dev/null answer, wait for the next day to get the information from your home machine and then post something useful. 2) Learn how to use your mail system. Too often we have seen the previous day digest being reposted. Quoting is good but make sure that only the relevant part is recopied. Assume that we have access to the previous digest and just post enough so we have an idea of what the post is about. Minor things : a) Keep those .sig small. 20 to 30% of some people posts are used by those .sig. The digest already gives the name and address of the poster. What more can you add but a small quote of the day. b) People have to pass exams to drive a car. The same should be applied to using the net! (I will get killed for this one...) The next time I post something it will be GUS related, I promise... ------------------------------ From: Steve Sesterhenn Date: Fri, 26 May 95 10:28:28 CST Subject: Brian's comments >From: "Brian Hayes, Sierra Systems" >Date: Thu, 25 May 95 12:16:57 PDT >Subject: Problems with the digest..... >I'm not looking for a flame war here, I'm trying to >bring this digest up to snuff for everyone. I'd like to see some good >discussion on some of these points if you have the time. RIGHT ON! Finally, someone with a clear perspective and some constructive criticism. I think we could all benefit by using some of Brian's suggestions and by having his good attitude. >have a great weekend everyone! You too.... >P.S. So was this On topic, or OFF topic?? Definitely ON. Steve (my opinions don't necessarily match those of my employer.) ------------------------------ From: George Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 08:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #24 On Fri, 26 May 1995, The GUS Daily Digest wrote: > From: csjohn@knuth.mtsu.edu (John Wallace) > Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 16:04:59 -0500 (CDT) > Subject: AMD Interwave emulation > > Does anyone know if the GUS/GUS Max will have the ability to > be compatible with future software which utilizes the > AMD Interwave via drivers? > > It would seem that it would be easier for the GUS/GUS Max to > emulate an AMD Interwave (since the AMD is based on wavetable > synthesis) than it is for the GUS/GUS Max to emulate an > FM type Soundblaster. I doubt there will be some software to emulate the Interwave, but if there is one, consider it similar to the GUS/GUS Max emulating the Roland MT-32 because the Interwave has the Mix, Move, Modify(TM) capability, which I think enables to edit the patches on the fly. Now that I think of it, because of this capability, the Interwave may be able to be nearly 100% compatible with the Roland MT32. - -George ------------------------------ From: Harry C Pulley IV Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 11:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SB MIDI cables; ADPCM files; SB and GUS; 4.11 install I bought a MIDI cable for an SBPro (my store couldn't find a distributor for the Gravis MIDI box so...). It works great for me using my Kawai keyboard to sequence MIDI songs. USS records 16-bit ADPCM but the .WAV headers are wrong. That's why Windows programs don't playback anything but garbage; they think it is a standard 16-bit .WAV files and play it back as such. If you try to go the other way, and record 16-bit ADPCM under Windows, you'll find that USS thinks it has a corrupt header. I don't believe that the CODEC works under Windows so you can't record ADPCM directly. What you can do, is use programs like Goldwave that can export ADPCM files. This means that you must have the memory and disk space to hold the uncompressed sample. However, the MAX's CODEC can only record and playback the same type. Thus, only ADPCM can be played while ADPCM is recorded. With utilities like Goldwave you can export regular files as ADPCM. I have an SB clone with my GUS Max. It works fine. What location is your GUS at? You listed 3,3,5,11 which tells me the DMA channels and IRQs but not the port address. You said the SB is at 260; this is impossible (well, not impossible but no software will recognize it there). Make sure that the GUS and SB are not at the same address. Also make sure that the SB is not at IRQ 5 where your GUS is right now. Finally, if the SB has a CDROM interface on it (like mine) make sure that it does not conflict with the GUS (disable it if possible). Remember that the GUS uses its base address plus its address+100 (thus 220 uses 320 as well). The upper parts are for MIDI. I had a problem because my SB's CDROM interface was at 340 (and I thought I had it disabled) and MIDI in wouldn't work for me with my GUSMAX at 240. Make sure that you don't have a hidden conflict like that somewhere. And to those of you who say that buying a SB to go with your GUS is heresay, what is the GUS ACE? What is supposed to go with an ACE card? Why, an SB. Now, I have a MAX but I still prefer to have real compatibility. While Maxsbos sounds better than real FM for a few games, for the most part games that I used to play sound better 'as they should'. Many new games sound fine with Maxsbos since I have never heard them with real FM. Even though the wavetable instruments in Maxsbos may sound 'better' it still sounds different or even 'wrong' to me if I'm used to the FM version of it. Now, being able to use megaem to emulate general MIDI instead of FM has always sounded better to me. But between games that won't run at all and those which just sound better with real (however cheesy) FM, a cheap SB clone is nice to have around. My 4.11 install went fine, mostly. Certainly everything in Windows works. The only problem was that megaem and ultrinit were overwritten with older versions. I had backup so I just put them back. Any problems you had with Windows MIDI must be something else. One user reported the Windows drivers version from 4.11 to be 5.54. Could you check that? I only have 5.51 and would like to get the latest driver if there really is a more recent one. Harry <:-{} hpulley@uoguelph.ca | This message released to the PUBLIC DOMAIN \ Harry C. Pulley, IV | Mind/Matter=Communication/Transportation - ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------------- Real programmers don't drink Zima|Read Melissa Scott's Trouble_And_Her_Friends ------------------------------ From: liaor@umcc.umich.edu (Royce Liao) Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 12:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: GUS v2.2 and SB-16 IDE ("Vibra16") My brother just purchased a PC system (he's getting sick of Macs.) Well he also purchased a SB-16 OEM (it's by Creative Labs, alright, but the card says "Vibra16" instead of SB-16) So I yanked out my old GUS v2.2 and stuck it in his computer, to see if the two could co-exist. They do! Unfortunately, my brother insists on using Win'95, so I could only get sound out of games with native Gravis support. Strangely, Gravis's SETUP program (I installed v3.57 software, then upgraded to 4.11) doesn't work properly. Every IRQ, DMA causes the program's test-facility to fail. I have the Gravis set to IO 240, IRQ 11/7 (GF1/MIDI), DMA1, 16-bit DMA 7. (The SB-16 sits on IO 220, IRQ5, DMA1, 16-bit DMA 5.) Also of note, this particular SB-16 has an IDE interface, and the IRQs/DMAs are software configurable (the DIAGNOSE program tells you the default, but you can pick any available IRQ/DMA.) ------------------------------ From: Chronologically sick and abused and happy Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 13:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Drivers Well: Let's face it. Gravis has no concern for supporting non-Win/DOS OS's, I think we can take all that for granted. Given the absolute lack of support for OS/2 (Yeah, those NT people can agree too) I think that me and most of my friends will likely be losing any idea of an Interwave-powered Gravis product. While I hate 'industry standards' like the crap Creative Labs foists upon us, I would not hesitate to buy a CL card with an Interwave. Anybody notice the sh*t signal-to-noise ratio on the GUS? Funny, the prototypes and early models didn't have it....the software blows, the hardware is a shadow of the prototypes (yes, I have seen/heard them) and they don't wanna write any REAL drivers (can you say RING 0?? Yeah, like that 'protected mode' megaem that needs NMI..sheesh). Face the obvious, this card had a helluva lot more potential than anybody figured, but like so many other things in the computer industry, this'll be soon forgotten since the software is such a pain in the ass..... - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deepest Congratulations go out to Al __ Unser Jr.'s brilliant qualifying /()\ run at Indy this month..... |============================| Forza! I guess every idiot finally |#28 #28| gets his due......... |=============[]=============| __________ |=============[]=============| _________ 1995 Grand Prix de / \ | ____/_______[]_______\____ | / \ Monaco | | /_____/~~~~~~[]~~~~~~\_____\ | | 28 May 1995 | |~~~~~~~~| |~~~~~~~| | Monte Carlo, | |~~~~~~~~|_____ _____|~~~~~~~| | Monaco | |__|_____/OO OO\__/OO OO\_____|_| | \__________/ \__________/ ~~ '~~~`'~~`~~~~'~~~'~~`~~'~`~~~`~~`'~~'~~`~~`'~'`~`~'~~`~~~`~~`~~`~~~`~~~~~~' Jeff Salzmann, JKS4675@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU ------------------------------ From: hot_keys@connectnet.com Date: Fri, 26 May 95 17:32:52 PDT Subject: RE: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #24 - ------BEGIN------ Quote I'm sorry to say that I've given up on gravis and bought a Sound Bastard. However, I haven't sold my gus(never will) and they wont cooperate. After I've inserted the SB, the SB install-program won't start. Everything just locks up. My CD-ROM also hangs when its SCSI drivers are beeing loaded. This sucks. Please help. I've tried: set ultrasound=3,3,5,11 And the I/O for the bastard is 260, DMA 1. Have any of you got some useful hints and tips on running both the Sb and GUS together? Please mail me ASAP. - -------END------ Quote I have a similar config on myne, its hard to get right, but I have no problems with this config: Sound Blaster (16) - Port = 240 Irq = 5 Dma = 0 Hdma = 3 Midi port = 330 GUS - Port = 220 Irq = 7 Dma = 1 Soundblaster DMA = 1 Midi port = 330 (you cant use MIDI on both at the same time) Joystick port enabled on the GUS, not on the SB. Also I made a poor mans mixer with cheap parts at radio-shack to pipe both to the same source. Let me know if it works. ------------------------------ From: "Moebius" Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 03:03:35 +1 Subject: Re: General User Satisfaction (Digest #22-23) Origin has confirmed they'll support the GUS in Future...their lastes games which hasn't the gus driver was System Shock but only because it was the AILS Driver were not ready ...but now it is fixed now SShock runs fine with the AIL3.10 and I can tellyou it sounds really good ....because I had listen to The AWE and WaveBlaster Version..No comparaision ... The Gus is still on the Top !. The only companies I want to blame for their lacks of Support it is those stupid Frenchs companies who were thinking there is only one sound card on the PC Market ! (hmmm I think it is a general problem with those french people..They are always thinking they are best in the world ;-) ). Oh I forgot Vigirn in fact is not too bad too....They support support Gravis in their demo and not in the final release ! (SuperKart !) ....Lucas Arts it is the opposite ....They don't support it in the demo version ...but in the final version the gus is there !...is there a Creative Labs Conspiration ?..... Olivier ------------------------------ From: David A Denis Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 21:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Right on Brian > From: "Brian Hayes, Sierra Systems" > Date: Thu, 25 May 95 12:16:57 PDT > Subject: Problems with the digest..... [intelligent suggestions deleted for space] Brian, I couldn't agree more! I seldom post to the digest, mainly because I haven't been using my GUS a whole lot, since I have been at school, and my PC resides at home. I have gotten home for the summer and have been messing around with it a bit more, as well as paying more attention to the GUS digest. The WWW idea is a great one. I am very suprised that Gravis doesn't have an official Web site. They could post press releases, or at least let us now about new drivers and new products, including joysticks, etc... The Web sites that are around now are pretty good, but they could be a lot better. Thanks again Brian for post. ******************************************************** *David Denis--denis@acsu.buffalo.edu--meatlog@zynet.com* *UFC Homepage: http://www.zynet.com/~ufc * *The views expressed herein are mine and nobody else's * ******************************************************** ------------------------------ From: David A Denis Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 21:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Right on Brian > From: "Brian Hayes, Sierra Systems" > Date: Thu, 25 May 95 12:16:57 PDT > Subject: Problems with the digest..... [intelligent suggestions deleted for space] Brian, I couldn't agree more! I seldom post to the digest, mainly because I haven't been using my GUS a whole lot, since I have been at school, and my PC resides at home. I have gotten home for the summer and have been messing around with it a bit more, as well as paying more attention to the GUS digest. The WWW idea is a great one. I am very suprised that Gravis doesn't have an official Web site. They could post press releases, or at least let us now about new drivers and new products, including joysticks, etc... The Web sites that are around now are pretty good, but they could be a lot better. Thanks again Brian for post. ******************************************************** *David Denis--denis@acsu.buffalo.edu--meatlog@zynet.com* *UFC Homepage: http://www.zynet.com/~ufc * *The views expressed herein are mine and nobody else's * ******************************************************** ------------------------------ End of The GUS Daily Digest V22 #25 *********************************** To post to tomorrow's digest: To (un)subscribe or get help: To contact a human (last resort): FTP Sites Archive Directories --------- ------------------- Main N.American Site: ftp.orst.edu pub/packages/gravis wuarchive.wustl.edu systems/ibmpc/ultrasound Main Asian Site: nctuccca.edu.tw PC/ultrasound Main European Site: src.doc.ic.ac.uk packages/ultrasound Main Australian Site: ftp.mpx.com.au /ultrasound/general /ultrasound/submit South African Site: ftp.sun.ac.za /pub/packages/ultrasound Submissions: archive.epas.utoronto.ca pub/pc/ultrasound/submit Newly Validated Files: archive.epas.utoronto.ca pub/pc/ultrasound Mirrors: garbo.uwasa.fi mirror/ultrasound ftp.st.nepean.uws.edu.au pc/ultrasound ftp.luth.se pub/msdos/ultrasound Gopher Sites Menu directory ------------ -------------- Main Site: src.doc.ic.ac.uk packages/ultrasound WWW Pages --------- Main Site: http://www.xmission.com/~grue/gus.html Main European Site: http://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/packages/ultrasound/ Main Australian Site: http://ftp.mpx.com.au/archive/ultrasound/general/ http://ftp.mpx.com.au/archive/ultrasound/submit/ http://ftp.mpx.com.au/gravis.html Mirrors: http://www.st.nepean.uws.edu.au/pub/pc/ultrasound/ GUS Digest Archives: http://gpu.srv.ualberta.ca/~itam/digest.html http://www.student.adelaide.edu.au/~godfathr/gus/gus.html MailServer For Archive Access: Email to Hints: - Get the FAQ from the FTP sites or the request server. - Mail to for info about other GUS related mailing lists (programmers, musicians, etc.).